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Handbrake adjustment on ZX 1.9D
« on: November 22, 2007, 11:14:37 AM »
The main reasons for unequal length cables are incorrect adjustment of rear brake shoes and/or one of the cables seizing in the cable sheath/guides due to rust/dirt etc.
There are two cables, one end to each drum and the other ends to equaliser plate under the handbrake lever. These hook on and the adjustment is taken up by a central nut and threaded rod which tightens or slackens the equaliser plate.
Handbrakes should always be adjusted at the drums first. This is where most problems are found.
Assuming the rear shoes, retainers, springs and adjusters are clean and not gummed up (which is often missed on a service) the correct way of adjusting them is (according to my Haynes manual);
Centralise the brake shoes by gently tapping them.
Wind in threaded adjusters just enough to let the drum slide over the shoes.
Once drum is secured, pump brake pedal several times to enable adjusters to take up shoe to drum clearance. If you have someone to assist, you should be able to hear a clicking sound from the drums as the adjusters do their thing.
Now at the handbrake end, apply hand brake several times.
Now pull up handbrake to fully applied position but count the number of clicks from the ratchet. Should be between 4 and 7. If not, adjust as follows;
Apply handbrake to FIRST NOTCH. Rotate adjusting nut at handbrake end until only a slight drag is felt on rear drums. Release handbrake and make sure rear wheels rotate freely. Now fully apply handbrake while counting number of clicks from ratchet. If not between 4 and 7 adjust again.
If you still have one cable longer than the other, it may mean either one of the cables is the incorrect one for the car or it's incorrectly routed where it passes under the rear exhaust heat shield. Cables can stretch over time but an inch means something else is wrong.

Hope this helps,
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2007, 12:02:50 PM »
Thanks for that DocBrown, I've done all of the above. Assuming the cables are the correct ones, is it possible for the outer sleeve to slip further up where it enters the car body?
 

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2007, 12:11:30 PM »
Yes, had similar problem on an old Fiesta XR2.
Check carefully where the cables are routed and condition of outer sleeve. Any splits or signs that inner metal reinforcement is showing through may mean cables aren't moving freely.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 05:19:08 PM »
I’ve got it sorted now, but what a palaver !
I simply could not get the left hand cable the same as the right one. By that I mean the amount of inner cable showing to attach to the handbrake adjuster bracket. The bracket had been bodged with a welded on “extension” to allow it to fit further back of the handbrake adjustment bolt. I wish I’d taken a picture.
I took the cable off that was too short and went to my local factors. The correct cable they had was the same length with the same distance between the inner and outer sleeves. Undeterred, I asked to see all their other cables, and got one that had the extra length. It was for the right hand side, not the left, but I gambled on it fitting. I put it on the car, and both cables now have the same fitted length. I had to dremel the abortion of a bodge off to get the adjuster bracket back to original. I’ve refitted every thing and both sides now seem to pull equally. I’m now wondering what is fitted on the right side. I bought the car off a Peugeot mechanic, so that might be the problem :-)
Off to MOT it tomorrow, hoping that both brakes are equal enough.

 

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 09:42:03 AM »
Ye gods what a nightmare....you deserve a medal for sorting this one mate!  Good luck with the MOT.

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 02:29:45 PM »
Well, it failed the mot on the handbrake, the side I haven't replaced. I am going to get a new cable same as the other one, because every other part is new. The old cable is very sticky in action compared to the new one. I knew I should have replaced both of them, dammit!
The rear brakes passed on the foot brake test, so I know the shoes are ok, it has to be the cable not pulling as freely as the new one on the other side.

After looking at brake catalogues, it looks like the previous owner just used what was available and bodged to fit.[:(!]
 

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 05:12:48 PM »
Ho hum. Lets know how it goes!  Sometimes the self adjuster doesn't self adjust on these - I click the ratchet round with a screwdriver until the shoes just start to grab on each wheel then back them off a bit equally.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 05:28:26 PM »
Heh, sounds just like mine. To be honest the handbrake should be fine with two new cables pulling together, so to speak. It's the welding needed on left and right chassis members at the front and the rough bearings in the top of the struts. I never noticed the rust when I had a look because the bottom of the car is Ziebarted, and it looks like it's rusted through from the inside. It was fine last year, but very definate holes where the examiner had poked around. All that was left was the Ziebart ! I'd never looked that closely, assuming the galvanized shell would be fine. Car is booked into my favourite welder on Monday to get it all sorted for a retest on Tuesday. Meanwhile I'm going to take the excuse of not having a car this weekend to get exceedingly merry. Bottoms up, everyone
 

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 02:44:27 PM »
This is getting silly. I've replaced both cables now and it's still weak on one side with the handbrake. I'm out of ideas.
 

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2007, 06:55:13 PM »
Go for the adjuster trick, Stuart - with the back of the car up in the air pull the handbrake lever on 2 or 3 clicks.  See if the rear brakes are grabbing the wheels by a similar amount and that they both release with the brake off.  With new cables I don't see what else it could be, apart from one of the drums being really worn oversize, of course.  Hope you get it sorted - I thought I had problems fitting timing belts to an ancient Escort diesel today, when 2 bolts sheared off - in the wet....!  Cheers John

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2007, 07:15:16 PM »
Hmmmm, one side oversize? I noticed that the self adjusters are a good few threads out from each other when I was buggering about. You may have cracked it there !

I've been doing this with one side up at a time, should I get both sides up at the same time?
 

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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2007, 02:16:53 PM »
OK, I've fixed it. I was following how the original shoes were fitted, and upon looking at them on the car today, I noticed that the arm for the handbrake cable was fouling on the hub. Turns out the shoes were fitted on the wrong sides of the car. I swapped sides and now the arms clear the hub. Result, but what a time.
 

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 08:45:17 AM »
This would actually be funny if it wasn't so crazy but it looks like you may have sorted it...brilliant work!!  Doesn't say much for the previously mentioned Peugeot mechanic though.....

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 10:20:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Burnerman

This would actually be funny if it wasn't so crazy but it looks like you may have sorted it...brilliant work!!  Doesn't say much for the previously mentioned Peugeot mechanic though.....

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Looking back it was quite funny, felt like I was on some bizarre gameshow, and some wee Jap guy would bounce into sight telling me I failed and now had to eat worms. The good side is I am now the proud owner of an MOT. Woohoo, as they say. Just found out I could have saved £200 in welding, Doh ! Turns out a friend/colleague of my wife has a husband with a fully fitted garage and does body shell restores and would have loved to help me out with the welding.
Why is it you only find out these things after the fact? Dammit!
Well the next time the ZX decides to spontaneously melt, even with it's galvanised shell, I will know who to ask.

But, at the end of a few longs days, I'm back on the road. Which is what it's all about. Isn't road tax bloody expensive?
 

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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2007, 09:41:00 AM »
Excellent and a large pat on the back for thee!  I've got a lot of time for the ZX although I don't see many of them these days.  Cheers John

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